Wikipedia:𐍂𐌰𐌶𐌳𐌰𐌲𐌰𐍂𐌿𐌽𐌹

English: This place is for the discussion on words and other language facts. If new words are created, please add them to the list on Wikipedia:Niuja waúrda. Remark though that new words will only be accepted with correct reconstructions.

Link

Hey, what is the translation on this side of link (in the computational meaning)? And how did you come to that? Zylbath 18:23, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

I use the word hlagkeis (strong masculine) for the word link. It is one of two forms in the gothic-l wordlist. --Gadrauhts 19:36, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Please/You're welcome

Hails, hvaiwa qiþand jus "please" jah "you're welcome" ana Gutiskai? Zylbath 18:48, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

I don't know of any attested way to express these but here is how it could be used

* Þiuþaba, waist'u ƕar sa bibliauþeka ist?

* Jai, is ist þar ana hleidumin.

* Ah, filu þagkos.

* Nihun aglons.

--Gadrauhts 19:33, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Hvaiwa qimis þu du þiuþaba?? Niu gamagiþ þiuþan to make noise? Hvas ist miþ Bidja? Duþe wit siju nu bi þamma: Hvas ist Sorry swe ufhrop? Inilo? Zylbath 20:15, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

It is not from the verb but from the adjective þiuþs "good". --Gadrauhts 04:58, 1 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Okay, and what do you think of the rest I wrote? 77.10.241.19 07:36, 1 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Bidja or bidja þuk could absolutely work too. For sorry or escuse me we can use inilo or inilo mis! Gadrauhts 11:07, 2 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. I added them to the list on Wikipedia:Niuja waurda. Zylbath 12:36, 2 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

finalsentences

Hvaiwa gadigiþada þai finalsentences swe "I took the umbrella for not getting wet."?? Zylbath 18:48, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

as/like

Hvaiwa ist þata waurd faúr "as" jah "like" swe in He works as a teacher. / He is good like me.? Zylbath 18:48, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

Subjectification of verbs

Hvaiwa maka ik us verbs subjects? Ist þata subject faur ufhropan ufhrop? Zylbath 20:47, 31 𐌰𐍃𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

In this case there is a word hrops (masculine a-stem) from the verb hropan. Hence *ufhrops. Verbs ending in -jan can be made to nouns though adding the suffix -eins (equivalent to english -tion). Uswaltjan > uswalteins = revolution. But I am not sure what to do with a verb like plinsjan. Would that perhaps be *plinseis (masculine ja-stem) = dance. Gadrauhts 11:16, 2 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

And what happens to the rest of the verb classes? Verbs with just -an drop their ending? Zylbath 12:18, 2 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

hvarei

Is my assumption right, that the relative pronoun where, in This is the place where I live. for example, is built by hvar + ei? Zylbath 15:00, 4 𐌰𐌺𐍂𐌰𐌽𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2011 (UTC)

It seems to be a correct assumption. I would agree. / Gadrauhts 14:13, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

𐌱𐍂𐌹𐌲𐌲𐍅𐌰𐌽𐍃/briggwans

In the article 𐌰𐌻𐌿𐌸 this word appears, but I don't know what it means. Could someone help me? Zylbath 16:02, 2 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It should mean to brew in infinitive (briggwan). I found in a dictionary the form *briuwan but I think that is etymologically wrong. Briggwan is better, cf. OE bréowan and swedish brygga. The gg should not be pronounced [ŋg] but rather [g:] in this case. / Gadrauhts 14:00, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

alkohol

Would "alcohol" really be "alkohol" in Gothic? Zylbath 16:02, 2 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

thiudangardi / thiudanwaihts

What is what and what is the difference? And is there a list of possible names for the current state forms on earth? Zylbath 15:22, 3 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thiudangardi is kingdom and is based on the word thiudans = king. Thiudawaihts is a neologism and a calque on latin res publica. Maybe there was a word for republic in the good ol' days since republics did exist then, but I dont think it is attested. Thiudinassus on the other hand is also kingdom but should perhaps be used in the sentence of monarchy? /Gadrauhts 14:11, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So: thiudangardi for historical kingdoms, thiudanwaihts for republics and thiudinassus for modern monarchies? Zylbath 15:07, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note that it should be thiudawaihts, without n before the w, since it has nothing to do with thiudans, but instead thiuda = people. I am a little insecure about the difference between thiudangardi and thiudinassus. I see the first as more concrete and the latter more abstract. Köbler translates thiudangardi as: ger. Königsschloss, Königreich, Palats; en. royal domain, realm, kingdom, royal palace, king's court; latin. regnum, domis regis.Thiudinassus is translated as: ger. regierung, königreich, reich; en. governance, reign, reigning, kingship, kingdom, rule; latin. imperium, regnum. Maybe the words are synonyms but I would use thiudangardi to describe countries with a monarch and use thiudinassus to describe the polity. /Gadrauhts 17:19, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Even if I have way less idea of all these things, I would agree. ;) The translations are quite clear: thiudangardi as the area of the kingdom and thiudinassus as the "government" behind it. So a thiudinassus would have a thiudangardi. ^^ Zylbath 13:23, 15 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thiudangardi is very clear since it is composed of Thiudans, M, a = Ruler and Gards, M, i = House / Home and is therefore House of the Ruler which as Pars pro Toto means Kingdom / Realm. Oddly, Thiudangardi is F., jo, even though both Thiudans and Gards are M. (Also, for the use of -gards compare Midjungards, M, i = (inhabited) middle earth or more literally the middle house - again a Pars pro Toto. Thiudinassus, M, u is much trickier even though it is most likely split into the Suffix -assus (as noted by Koebler Gerhard) and Thiudin-. Thiudin- may derive from Thiuda plus compositional element or shortened Thiudans with vowel change a -> i.The -in ending in Thiudin is neither known form the a-declension (Thiudans) nor from the o-declension (Thiuda). The Suffix -assus appears in many contexts, such as blotin-, drauhtin- etc., and may derive from assjan, weak Verb 1, which is noted with a "?" in Koebler Gerhard. The weak Verb 1 ufar-assjan is know as meaning "be in overflow, abundant, in superfluity" and is in its turn composed of ufar- (over, above) and assjan. A clear meaning for assjan or -assus cannot be derived from this easily. The distinctions between Thiudangardi and Thiudinassus noted above may have some merit but are hard to corroborate based on what we know about the etymology of Thiudinassus. Surely the "flow(ing) of the ruler / people" makes little sense. Should anyonme have some intel on the etymology of Thiudinassus and -assus, assjan in particular, please respond! (Salons)

As a Post scriptum it may be worth adding that the "Atta Unsar" uses Thiudangardi and Thiudinassus as equivalent "Qimai Thiudinassus ..." and "Unte Theina Ist Thiudangardi ...". In Latin both sentences have Regnum and in Greek both sentences have Basileia. This seems to suggest that they may be used to mean exactly the same. (Salons)

Numbers in this wikipedia

For so far the numbers in this wikipedia are written mostly in latin letters. But shouldn't we better turn to the gothic way of numbers like ·𐍊𐌼𐌴· and not like '945'. Moreover do we have the problem, that the latin letters appear much bigger than the gothic ones, as far as one uses the Ulfila font. The Skeirs font is supposed to have the same size as the latin script according to its creator Robert Pfeffer. Zylbath 08:23, 10 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer to use 0-9 numbers instead of gothic letters. But maybe in such cases as in kings' names, then we could use gothic just as roman numbers often are used when writing in latin letters. / Gadrauhts 14:03, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you prefer romanic numbers? Because they are easier to use/read? Zylbath 15:03, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, pretty much therefor. And it's a little bit more modern. These numbers (0-9) which are actually arabic, is international by now. Even languages such as chinese and japanese use them. And both latin and greek which had other systems befor, have switched to these. So why not also modern gothic? / Gadrauhts 16:59, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I agree. Sure, it's easier to read but would be still the heritage of the gothic language which we should try to conservate here. So, I think that it should stay in at least one domain, as you said in the names of kings etc. Should that be the only category or could there be possibly a few more like "years" or so? Zylbath 13:19, 15 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that text in Latin letters can use Arabic numbers; text in Wulfilas script can use the traditional format. Allsbairhts 08:39, 18 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I now stand between those two positions. =) I can see both side's arguments. But I'd still propose that we should find a solution and not that every respective user does it how he wants to. In my opinion I think it is too bad of that way of writing numbers goes totally under. They should still be somehow represented here. Zylbath 13:41, 19 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comic

Hey, what could we say for "comic" in gothic? I though of something like "drawn tales" or so. Zylbath 13:54, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Once, I used (in my blog) the word fahedeis for this word. It is based on the word faheþs (sf) = joy. / Gadrauhts 14:05, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good, then Entenhaus can get a category, because every article should be in at least one category. Zylbath 15:02, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I added the category "fahedeis" to the article. / Gadrauhts 16:57, 14 𐌰𐍆𐍄𐌿𐌼𐌰 𐌾𐌹𐌿𐌻𐌴𐌹𐍃 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Library

How would you say library, Ger. Bibliothek, in Gothic? It must be something with bokos- and then a collection. Any thoughts? Zylbath 21:13, 4 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC) I'd say something like bokahus, since it's just a house, filled with books. There might be also a word for collection, but I'd guess, bokahus will be enough.

Template

We need a word in Gothic for the english word "template" which is used here for many things. In German and many other germanic languages "Vorlage" or equivalents are used. Zylbath 20:02, 5 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

      I would think it would be "empty"+"form", where "formo" would work just fine for form, so lausformo (𐌻𐌰𐌿𐍃𐍆𐍉𐍂𐌼𐍉), with the same declension as formo,

      which formo is already on the Niuja Waurda list

You should browse more often the niuja waurda list. ;) We already have a word: faurameleins. A template is a prewritten thing, so the sense would fit quite well. And btw.: YOU added "formo". According to the writing standard of Gothic, it would be "faurmo", but I would prefer "faurma" because "form" has, in the languages I know, mostly a strong declension. I'm going to change that. Zylbath (talk) 16:01, 26 𐌲𐍂𐌰𐍃𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2012 (UTC)

Lord of the Rings

Does any body know if Tolkien made gothic words for different characters and such in his world that he created? Since he was very fond of this world and also well educated in gothic I think he might have thought in these ways as well. Otherwise maybe we could try to make some at least. A question is which words and names should be translated/gothicized and which should stay as they are?

Here's an example (using only latin letters now):

* Lord of the Rings - Hrigge Fraujins.

* Balrog - Walarauks (or maybe Walharauks or Balarogs)
, cf. quenya Valarauko.

* ...

To be continued (please fill out further) /Gadrauhts (talk) 10:13, 2 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2013 (UTC)

Game of Thrones

Ok now I'm trying to figure out what kingdoms names, the continent name and the peoples names would be in Gothic. In my opinion, Gothic is a special language, to me it has that potential of being in a fictionalized world (e.g. Game of Thrones, The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings), it just would fit in.

The Seven Kingdoms of Westros = Sibun Þiudinassiwē Wistrōs, n.

House Stark = Hus-Starka, m. a-stem.

House Baratheon = Hus Baraþiuns, wm.

House Lannister = Hus Lannastar, m, a-stem.

House Targaryen = Hus Targarjeins, wf.

Essos = Issos, wm.

Winterfell = Wintru-fella, m, a-stem.

Daenerys Targaryen = Dáinaíreis Targarjeins, wf.

Jon Snow = Iona Snáiws, wm.

Bran Stark = Bran Starka, a-stem.

Tyrion Lannister = Teirion Lannastar, a-stem.

I could go on all day, since Game of Thrones has a lot of characters and things, but that will be later.

"Nyke Daenerys Jelmāzmo hen Targārio Lentrot, hen Valyrio Uēpo ānogār iksan. Valyrio muño ēngos ñuhys issa." - High Valyrian

"Ik im Dáinaíreis Staúrmbaúrn Hūsis Targarjeins, blōþis Aldis Waleirjái. Waleiriska ist meina modar tuggō." - Gothic

“I am Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, of the blood of Old Valyria. Valyrian is my mother tongue.” - English

Moonspell Bloodlines (talk) 02:27, 4 𐍆𐌰𐌽𐌹𐌼𐌴𐌽𐍉𐌸𐍃 2014 (UTC)

Names of the states of the USA

Look at the list: 𐌰𐌼𐌰𐌹𐍂𐌹𐌺𐌰